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		<title>By: Carina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aptly said. Everyone should follow suit.</description>
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		<title>By: Georgia Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgia Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey man, I kept trying to leave comments on your blog and getting aced out. Normally I would let it go, but because I&#039;m an ex-professional editor and I used to live and die by the Chicago Manual, I have to tell you: that post you wrote about passive voice?
 
That ain&#039;t passive voice.
 
It&#039;s telling rather than showing, and it&#039;s using a weak verb instead of a strong one -- both insidious uses of the English language. But passive voice is about who does what to whom, verb-wise -- it has nothing to do with using strong verbs or the tell v. show thing.
 
To read about passive voice, see this page: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_actpass.html. Quickly, though, here are a couple examples:
 
Passive: &quot;The book was opened to page 3 by the girl.&quot; 
Active: &quot;The girl opened the book to page 3.&quot;
 
Passive: The dog was run over by the car.
Active: The car ran over the dog.
 
Passive voice (PV) is not always bad -- and neither is using the verb &quot;to be.&quot; PV has its uses. Many cultures use it to be seen as less aggressive. Surprisingly, the French adore the passive form. It&#039;s also an excellent technique for expressing character without having to say &quot;This person has as much gumption as a fucking tree snail,&quot; which is not subtle and would o-ffend any number of gentle readers.
 
You also have to consider clarity and brevity. I&#039;m all for strong verbs -- strong verbs, though, not a string of adjectives or nouns. And definitely not adverbs.
 
Here&#039;s the deal: While &quot;it was a dark and stormy night&quot; may be bland, it&#039;s better than firehosing your readers with adjectives, adverbs (pernicious little fuckers!) or strings of nouns.
 
More examples: &quot;Rain lashed the house&quot; is good; lashed is a great verb. &quot;The sky spun mischief around the eaves&quot; is woowoo but it sets a tone.
 
But the rivulets and the dark house and the rain being shoved mercilessly... well, there&#039;s a lot in there that you don&#039;t need. Here&#039;s your sentence:
 
The ran, shoved mercilessly by the wind, ran in rivulets down the dark house.
 
That&#039;s a bit wordy. It&#039;s also got some passive voice in it (shoved mercilessly by...) and strategically speaking, you&#039;re not getting a lot of bang for your buck. You&#039;re loading up your sentence with unnecessary words.
 
If you tightened it up, made every word work for you, you&#039;d keep your reader in that vivid and continuous dream we&#039;re all striving for:
 
The wind shoved the rain down the house.
The wind hammered the rain against the house.
 
And if you have to have rivulets:
The wind slammed the rain against the house, forcing rivulets across the slate tiles.
 
Or possibly:
The wind wove around the house, rain snaking across the windows.
 
None of those are great, but they&#039;re direct and not goofily Gothic. It won&#039;t make your readers roll their eyes -- it won&#039;t distract them from the vivid and continuous dream you&#039;re trying to create for them.
 
Slate tiles adds to the already dark picture; carving, forcing, and shoved are nice and strong. And the length of the latter sentences lend themselves to a meandering, snake-like tone, which is good if you&#039;re looking to build suspense.
 
Read Strunk and White for the specifics -- but basically? Shorter and punchier is more effective than verbose, because -- especially in this day and age -- we none of us have the time, patience or attention span to dig through 18 words when 8 would do.
I&#039;m sorry; I just had to say. Again: good for you for trying to wipe out bad writing! Fight on, brother! Sorry about the diatribe. Perhaps my next job will be Merciless English Teacher.
 
Oops, adverb.
 
- GJ (http://odiouswoman.blogspot.com/ )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey man, I kept trying to leave comments on your blog and getting aced out. Normally I would let it go, but because I&#8217;m an ex-professional editor and I used to live and die by the Chicago Manual, I have to tell you: that post you wrote about passive voice?</p>
<p>That ain&#8217;t passive voice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s telling rather than showing, and it&#8217;s using a weak verb instead of a strong one &#8212; both insidious uses of the English language. But passive voice is about who does what to whom, verb-wise &#8212; it has nothing to do with using strong verbs or the tell v. show thing.</p>
<p>To read about passive voice, see this page: <a href="http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_actpass.html" rel="nofollow">http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_actpass.html</a>. Quickly, though, here are a couple examples:</p>
<p>Passive: &#8220;The book was opened to page 3 by the girl.&#8221;<br />
Active: &#8220;The girl opened the book to page 3.&#8221;</p>
<p>Passive: The dog was run over by the car.<br />
Active: The car ran over the dog.</p>
<p>Passive voice (PV) is not always bad &#8212; and neither is using the verb &#8220;to be.&#8221; PV has its uses. Many cultures use it to be seen as less aggressive. Surprisingly, the French adore the passive form. It&#8217;s also an excellent technique for expressing character without having to say &#8220;This person has as much gumption as a fucking tree snail,&#8221; which is not subtle and would o-ffend any number of gentle readers.</p>
<p>You also have to consider clarity and brevity. I&#8217;m all for strong verbs &#8212; strong verbs, though, not a string of adjectives or nouns. And definitely not adverbs.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the deal: While &#8220;it was a dark and stormy night&#8221; may be bland, it&#8217;s better than firehosing your readers with adjectives, adverbs (pernicious little fuckers!) or strings of nouns.</p>
<p>More examples: &#8220;Rain lashed the house&#8221; is good; lashed is a great verb. &#8220;The sky spun mischief around the eaves&#8221; is woowoo but it sets a tone.</p>
<p>But the rivulets and the dark house and the rain being shoved mercilessly&#8230; well, there&#8217;s a lot in there that you don&#8217;t need. Here&#8217;s your sentence:</p>
<p>The ran, shoved mercilessly by the wind, ran in rivulets down the dark house.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a bit wordy. It&#8217;s also got some passive voice in it (shoved mercilessly by&#8230;) and strategically speaking, you&#8217;re not getting a lot of bang for your buck. You&#8217;re loading up your sentence with unnecessary words.</p>
<p>If you tightened it up, made every word work for you, you&#8217;d keep your reader in that vivid and continuous dream we&#8217;re all striving for:</p>
<p>The wind shoved the rain down the house.<br />
The wind hammered the rain against the house.</p>
<p>And if you have to have rivulets:<br />
The wind slammed the rain against the house, forcing rivulets across the slate tiles.</p>
<p>Or possibly:<br />
The wind wove around the house, rain snaking across the windows.</p>
<p>None of those are great, but they&#8217;re direct and not goofily Gothic. It won&#8217;t make your readers roll their eyes &#8212; it won&#8217;t distract them from the vivid and continuous dream you&#8217;re trying to create for them.</p>
<p>Slate tiles adds to the already dark picture; carving, forcing, and shoved are nice and strong. And the length of the latter sentences lend themselves to a meandering, snake-like tone, which is good if you&#8217;re looking to build suspense.</p>
<p>Read Strunk and White for the specifics &#8212; but basically? Shorter and punchier is more effective than verbose, because &#8212; especially in this day and age &#8212; we none of us have the time, patience or attention span to dig through 18 words when 8 would do.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry; I just had to say. Again: good for you for trying to wipe out bad writing! Fight on, brother! Sorry about the diatribe. Perhaps my next job will be Merciless English Teacher.</p>
<p>Oops, adverb.</p>
<p>- GJ (<a href="http://odiouswoman.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://odiouswoman.blogspot.com/</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course rules are made to be broken. :)  Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.dianneebutts.com/what_is_passive_voice.htm&#039;&gt;someone else&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s musings on the subject. I&#039;d probably rewrite &quot;It was a dark and stormy night&quot; to be  &quot;The ran, shoved mercilessly by the wind, ran in rivulets down the dark house.&quot; Sure, I&#039;m using more words, but I&#039;m a word nerd. 

Essentially it comes down to: &quot;is&quot; isn&#039;t very active. Let the subject of the sentence actually &quot;do&quot; something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course rules are made to be broken. <img src='http://www.frenzieddaddy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Here&#8217;s <a href='http://www.dianneebutts.com/what_is_passive_voice.htm'>someone else</a>&#8216;s musings on the subject. I&#8217;d probably rewrite &#8220;It was a dark and stormy night&#8221; to be  &#8220;The ran, shoved mercilessly by the wind, ran in rivulets down the dark house.&#8221; Sure, I&#8217;m using more words, but I&#8217;m a word nerd. </p>
<p>Essentially it comes down to: &#8220;is&#8221; isn&#8217;t very active. Let the subject of the sentence actually &#8220;do&#8221; something.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK...so instead of &quot;It was a dark and stormy night&quot; Snoopy should type &quot;It is raining and dark?&quot;  What is an example of what he should say instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;so instead of &#8220;It was a dark and stormy night&#8221; Snoopy should type &#8220;It is raining and dark?&#8221;  What is an example of what he should say instead?</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You lost me...on many levels.

First off, what is wrong with the passive voice?  &quot;It was a dark and stormy night&quot; is a very descriptive line.  What should be written instead?

#2...English (the subject, not the spoken language) has never been my strongsuit, much less my college major, so what did you just say.  I have no idea what you said except &quot;don&#039;t speak with a passive voice...cut to the chase.&quot;  Why?  Why can&#039;t we use more words and talk eloquently to get out point across?

Unless you are talking about JRR Tolkien.  I never finished the LORD OF THE RINGS series because he would spend 10 pages describing the elven grass and trees, or 5 chapters describing the landscape that Aragorn and the others traversed thru in their pursuit of the Orcs holding the Hobbits hostage.  I mean really...

(OK...how passive was my voice?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You lost me&#8230;on many levels.</p>
<p>First off, what is wrong with the passive voice?  &#8220;It was a dark and stormy night&#8221; is a very descriptive line.  What should be written instead?</p>
<p>#2&#8230;English (the subject, not the spoken language) has never been my strongsuit, much less my college major, so what did you just say.  I have no idea what you said except &#8220;don&#8217;t speak with a passive voice&#8230;cut to the chase.&#8221;  Why?  Why can&#8217;t we use more words and talk eloquently to get out point across?</p>
<p>Unless you are talking about JRR Tolkien.  I never finished the LORD OF THE RINGS series because he would spend 10 pages describing the elven grass and trees, or 5 chapters describing the landscape that Aragorn and the others traversed thru in their pursuit of the Orcs holding the Hobbits hostage.  I mean really&#8230;</p>
<p>(OK&#8230;how passive was my voice?)</p>
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